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Offline slowcharles

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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2008, 10:14:26 PM BST »
Why did you have to spoil it for me- I have been waiting to point out a mistake from you for a while now.

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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2008, 10:22:49 PM BST »
Charles,Charles,Charles,you really are slow. ::)

When cars were first invented,sure,they were crude,and eventually they developed into very good machines.

HOWEVER,there already exists a far superior infrastructure in the two wheel vehicle world;  GASOLINE and Japanese motorcycles.

If nothing else was available,I would say, great! Someone is making a powered two wheeler.

Unfortunately,that is NOT the case here. I say,if this is their only basket of eggs,they are in HUGE trouble.    Mark my words.

Brammo is trying to reinvent the bicycle/cycle,and charging a HUGE premium for an inferior product.

They are pissin in the wind, and upwind at that. :P

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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2008, 11:19:03 PM BST »
Why did you have to spoil it for me- I have been waiting to point out a mistake from you for a while now.


wow! they made 5 million dollars!! they could have given us cars for free with that kinda money  ;D  ;D

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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2008, 11:21:28 PM BST »
Why did you have to spoil it for me- I have been waiting to point out a mistake from you for a while now.


wow! they made 5 million dollars!! they could have given us cars for free with that kinda money  ;D  ;D

No- you see Bolus they didn't MAKE $5m - that was only their sales

( Now lets leave it at that :) )

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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2008, 06:12:03 PM BST »
Just a thought;

Brammo is building Ariel Atoms in 2006.

They also decide to produce an electric bike. Let's see...what to call it....??   Sure would be nice to have some market recognition.

I wonder if they aproached Simon with the idea of calling it an Ariel. After all,Simon has been toying with the idea of making a motorcycle.

...and Simon says NFW!   (way to go Simon!)

Then....Brammo decides to dump the Ariel Atom.   

Possible scenario?




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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2008, 07:07:14 PM BST »
ummm no not likely.........I'd put my money on the split being a financial decision......someone owes someone some money......and then peace out.
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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2008, 08:19:25 PM BST »
Well,I'll bet the question was asked.


Thank GOD Simon was smart enough to say NO.

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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2008, 02:31:27 PM BST »
The Enertia is a whole different thing.  It is not (for obvious reasons) marketed to those who are looking for 'Busas and ZX-14's, or Atom owners for that matter. It's appeal is to the "green" crowd, to whom 100 MPG just isn't good enough. They are already driving hybrid cars whose forte is not high performance (if you hadn't noticed), but which are flying off the dealer's showroom floors as if they were the next incarnation of the musclecar.

The target market here is more the developer, living within 10 miles of the Microsoft, (Sun, Apple, ESRI, etc.) campus, carrying his lunch to work in his briefcase. For that guy, commuting six months of the year for zero gas and zero tailpipe emissions is a big deal. Clarly that makes little sense to most in the Atom crowd, least of all to someone like QQQ who is power mad and dreams of his 600 HP upgraded Atom day and night.

Most of us here, if not that extreme, still are not the Eneria's target market and unlikely to become so. As to the price, I do believe it will be hard going if the purchaser makes any attempt to evaluate it on a balance sheet. It only makes sense in that "other world" where greenhouse gasses and global warming (not to mention the price of oil) loom larger than the thrill of performance or the sense of having the most "bang for the buck". This is the motorcycle that Al Gore wants you to ride. For me, that almost takes all the interest away, but for some, it's the Holy Grail.

Mine has been on order since last July. I hope Brammo comes through and I get it. I'm just enough of a gear head that even if it can't outrun my other bikes or even my cars, I'll still appreciate it for it's ingenuity, uniqueness and rarity. In the meantime, I appreciate SC for sharing his impressions.

Oh, yeah, I'm not offended by anyone who thinks it's impractical, over priced or stupid. I've gotten used to that with my Atom.
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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2008, 02:44:52 PM BST »
how dirty is the electricity used to power the enertia, versus a few gallons of gas in a regular motorcycle.....I'm actually asking this is not sarcasm, does anyone know the actual ecological impact of using gas in a motorcycle versus electricity to charge batteries in an electric vehicle?
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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2008, 02:56:59 PM BST »
how dirty is the electricity used to power the enertia, versus a few gallons of gas in a regular motorcycle.....I'm actually asking this is not sarcasm, does anyone know the actual ecological impact of using gas in a motorcycle versus electricity to charge batteries in an electric vehicle?


According to this article, http://www.fixingtheplanet.com/first-production-electric-motorcycle the Enertia has 8% of the carbon footprint of the average CAFE vehicle. If CAFE is 25 MPG, that would give the Enertia 32% of the CF of a 100MPG bike (assuming the bike can operate at CAFE emissions standards). Of course this is pretty much conjecture, but here are a paper that will allow further investigation.

http://www.ucsusa.org/publications/greentips/whats-your-carb.html

The missing element is how many kwh are required to recharge the Enertia per mile of use.
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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2008, 03:36:58 PM BST »
The Enema  is a $14k answer to nothing. I predict a total flop. :td: :td:

You cannot compare the Enema to the Atom.  ::)

The Atom answers a need.

It is an ultra high performance car for auto enthusiasts that do not need or desire all the excess that comes with so many others.

The Enema will be but another nail in Brammos coffin.





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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2008, 03:54:11 PM BST »
Cobra

Having ridden the bike I can tell you it is not some lame enviromental piece of junk- it really is quite an exciting machine as well as being technologically interesting.

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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2008, 04:05:29 PM BST »
Cobra
Having ridden the bike I can tell you it is not some lame enviromental piece of junk- it really is quite an exciting machine as well as being technologically interesting.

I quite agree. I saw the first unit last April when it was unveiled to the Brammo employees. It is a very high quality piece. Anything less and I would not have voted with my checkbook. My references above relate to the cultural aspects of the Enertia market, not the mechanical considerations.
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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2008, 04:08:42 PM BST »
Firstly, thank you Charles for your report on Brammos offering.

I do agree with Randy that there is a place for this product both at present and in the future with issues such as fuel prices, global warming and sustainability being held high by a large portion of potential customer throughout the world.

However I believe Mark (Q to his friends at MIB) raised a valid point in one of his condemning posts. Not that of the cheapness of petrol powered motorbikes, because they emit CO2. But the fact that once the larger corporates enter the market a company like Brammo has to, like Ariel, have something very very special.

What's more is US manufactures will have to compete against Indian and Chinese produced products.
There are already 100s of electric motorcycles and scooters available from China. To see some click HERE


Here's an example of an existing Japanese prototype that claims a top speed of 93mph and a range of 112 miles.



The picture links to a YouTube video of the bike.

The accompanying blurb with the video says:

A Japanese vehicle manufacturer unveiled the prototype of a new electric motorbike carrying a hybrid magnetic motor, which can run almost noiselessly up to 180 kilometres (112 miles) on one charge. Tokyo-based Axle Corporation says that the battery of the next-generation electric vehicle motorbike can be charged at home, in the same way as a cellular phone. It takes a little over 6 hours to fully charge the battery, and the vehicle's maximum speed is capable of reaching 150 kilometres per hour (93 miles per hour).

The company says the futuristic motorbike enjoys high energy efficiency thanks to a state-of-the-art magnetic motor which is a hybrid between a electromagnet and a permanent magnet. The new motor, called SUMO, short for "super motor," is housed inside the bike's rear wheel. The manufacture says the new motor is seven-times more cost efficient than gas-powered scooters.

Daisuke Ito, a professional racer who test rode the EV-X7 prototype, said it could potentially replace machines we now see in motor races. "I just feel that in the near future, we'll be seeing these kinds of electric motorbikes running all around town. And when that happens, conventional vehicles could disappear from motor racing, too, and well be competing only in electric vehicles."

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Re: Enertia Review
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2008, 04:22:34 PM BST »


Here's an example of an existing Japanese prototype that claims a top speed of 93mph and a range of 112 miles.





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